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Post by Ryan on Mar 24, 2013 11:23:35 GMT -5
Sorry i'm late to the party... top 10 forwards of all time, Jagr has to be in that list. He's at 1,000 assists and did most of it during the DPE. Missed 2-1/2 seasons to lockout and 3 seasons in KHL. Imagine his scoring totals with another 5-1/2 seasons in the NHL.
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Post by International Hockey Club on Mar 24, 2013 17:10:42 GMT -5
The Pittsburgh Penguins' fall from grace has begun. Trading a promising defensive prospect for a fucking fossil with some injury problems? LOL
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Post by Nova Scotia Titans on Mar 24, 2013 17:25:42 GMT -5
Fall from grace? Are you smoking crack out of your ass? It's a simple trade. The Penguins get someone who can help them now, the Stars get a guy who will help them in the future. Pretty simple concept if you ask me.
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Post by International Hockey Club on Mar 24, 2013 17:32:17 GMT -5
Fall from grace? Are you smoking crack out of your ass? It's a simple trade. The Penguins get someone who can help them now, the Stars get a guy who will help them in the future. Pretty simple concept if you ask me. Well let's see.... UFAs this year - Dupuis, Morrow, Cooke, Eaton RFAs this year - Kennedy, Jeffrey, Bortuzzo UFAs 2014 - MALKIN, KUNITZ, Glass, Vitale, LETANG, ORPIK, Niskanen, Engelland, Vokoun RFAs 2014 - Despres, Sutter There's no way in hell they'll have the cap space to keep this team together and I can honestly see Malkin walking. Whether that is the NHL or KHL remains to be seen. It seems as though everyone that isn't a Stars or Pens fan except me thinks the Pens are getting Brenden Morrow c. 2008. He's injury-prone, old, and no better than a third liner. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2013 21:37:22 GMT -5
If there's one thing the Penguins have well consistently, it's trade. New morrow fills a depth role on the team, old morrow has promise, but do do a half dozen other penguins prospects.
None of which has anything to fo with the downfall you just wrote about, those here agency pressures are there with or without this trade.
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Post by International Hockey Club on Mar 24, 2013 22:09:00 GMT -5
Jets win despite Cedrick Desjardins winning the Academy Award for Best Mike Smith Impression. Seriously, that goalie interference call on Wheeler was bullshit
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Post by International Hockey Club on Mar 24, 2013 22:18:10 GMT -5
If there's one thing the Penguins have well consistently, it's trade. New morrow fills a depth role on the team, old morrow has promise, but do do a half dozen other penguins prospects. None of which has anything to fo with the downfall you just wrote about, those here agency pressures are there with or without this trade. Old fossil for a promising prospect. From a team that (with the exceptions of Pouliot and Maatta and MAYBE Scotty Harrington) has a rather unspectacular prospect pool, outside of the guys already with the big club (Beau Bennett was my AHL mancrush this year lol). Heck, other than some highly rated guys who are unlikely to reach their potential, their prospect group (ESPECIALLY up front) is downright sad. And really, if you really look at it, if there's a repeat of 2010-11 when Crosby and Malkin both missed most of the year, they are absolute garbage. Neal doesn't score 40 without Malkin (just ask Warren Young how he fared sans Lemieux, for a Penguin comparison). Kunitz isn't 2nd in goal scoring without Crosby. Also, just so I'm not called a "biased Penguin-hater"....I was a Penguins fan for 15 years. Put me on the record for saying this: The Penguins will not make it past the Eastern Conference Final this season. |
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Post by International Hockey Club on Mar 24, 2013 22:19:49 GMT -5
Elsewhere, Radek Dvorak will be returned to North America: he has just become the newest Anaheim Duck.
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Post by Nova Scotia Titans on Mar 25, 2013 18:30:02 GMT -5
My list of Top 10 greatest defensemen (who can score relatively consistently) in the NHL who are active as of today:
1. Sergei Gonchar
2. Mike Green
3. Dan Boyle
4. Andrei Markov
5. Mark Streit
6. Lubomir Visnovsky
7. Tomas Kaberle
8. Dion Phaneuf
9. Ryan Whitney
10. Shea Weber
(Honorable mentions: Joni Pitkanen, Marek Zidlicky, Kimmo Timonen)
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Post by International Hockey Club on Mar 25, 2013 20:29:51 GMT -5
Weber should be higher....also, where's Suter? seems to actually be outperforming his former partner
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Post by Nova Scotia Titans on Mar 26, 2013 12:41:19 GMT -5
My list of Top 10 greatest goaltenders in the NHL who are active as of today:
1. Martin Brodeur
2. Roberto Luongo
3. Nikolai Khabibulin
4. Evgeni Nabokov
5. Miikka Kiprusoff
6. Tomas Vokoun
7. Jose Theodore
8. Henrik Lundquist
9. Ryan Miller
10. Jean-Sebastian Giguere
(Honorable mention: Marc-Andre Fleury, Martin Biron, Cam Ward)
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Post by International Hockey Club on Mar 26, 2013 22:08:51 GMT -5
lol jamie mcbain
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2013 10:12:57 GMT -5
These top 10 active lists are downright nutty haha. I realize it's only an opinion so there are no right and wrong answers, but some names JUMP off the page.
For D Gonchar was never the best defenceman in any one season nevermind the greatest defenceman playing today. Whitney is also consistently a healthy scratch and I dont think he has ever even been an all-star. I'd also question Kaberle, Viz and Streit. Most obvious emission was future HOFer Chara doesnt even get an honorable mention. Some other snubs IMO are Keith, Doughty, Kronwall, Suter, Byfuglien and Campbell.
For goalies... Khabby 3rd!! Lundqvist behind Vokoun and Nabokov??!! Leaving Ward off in favour of some of those names is lunacy too. Biron has never even held down a starting job for a long period of time how would he even be in the discussion for top 10 greatest? Rinne, Thomas and Price stick out to me as obvious top 10 guys left off and Id take Fleury and Ward over Khabibulin, Nabokov, Vokoun and Theodore.
Forwards I agree with you more than the other two, but Heatley over Alfie is laughable and that's tough for me to say since I hate the guy. Not even giving Iginla an H.M. is the biggest gaffe though. You can't honestly believe Heatley has had the better career so I'll chalk that one up to you forgetting Iginla. I would also have Stamkos, St. Louis, Staal, Sedins and Toews ahead of your H.M.'s and Spezza, Kovy and Heatley.
It's all subjective and opinion though so not putting down yuor lists, just sharing who I felt deserved some attention and who I was shocked at seeing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2013 10:22:26 GMT -5
As for Pittsburgh I think both trades were BIG overpayments, but I dont blame them. They arent worried about their roster in 3 years they are trying to win NOW and I think they have positioned themselves to do so.
When you have a chance at the Cup you go for it. Why put forth a weaker roster when competing because you are worried about losing out on a prospect. By the time he is developed to his potential the Pens might not be in a position for a cup run. Shero is going all in now before the cap problems arise and I dont know how people could blame him for that thinking. The goal is to win the Cup not ice a competitive team every year without eventually sacrificing the future for the present.
Also really shocked to hear you were a Pens fan for 15 years and now aren't. I dont know how people can switch allegiances with pro teams unless they are a casual fan. Im way too emotionally attached to the Leafs, Jays and Raptors and even though it would be nice to cheer for a winner instead of the perrenially struggling Raps and Leafs it is impossible for me to do so. They are my teams through thick and thin and Im such a die hard I cant even bring myself to have a 2nd favourite team since I just don't get that edge of my seat tension and excitement when watching other teams.
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Post by Nova Scotia Titans on Mar 27, 2013 11:55:43 GMT -5
The great thing about Top 10 lists for anything is that there's no right one. Everyone has a different opinion about these sorts of things, and its neat to see how other people feel about those topics. My lists weren't necessarily the ten most accomplished players, but rather those who played consistently at a high level throughout their career. In some cases, it's hard to compare the players who played 90 years ago to the guys who played 20-30 ago, simply because so much has changed since then.
I do think however that Pittsburgh's window for a legitimate run at the Stanley Cup is close to ending, probably within the next 2-3 years.
I feel the same way with my teams. It would take a seismic event for me to even consider switching allegiances.
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